[Heraldry] Office of the Imperial King of Arms

Tacuma_giustiniani

He had listened carefully and then took the floor
For me and also for my cousin, I think
he said looking her perhaps it would be appropriate to the Italic Square , so our loved ones will be present if they wanted to.
The date could be on the 4th day of August, once finished mourning.
Meanwhile, I will prepare a letter of formal request and I will as soon as possible to send it to you, Your Grace

Findecano

Findecano bows politely. "A location can always be determined later, Your Eminence. Something more private is also a good idea, but the choice is yours. I will look forward to your request and make sure everything will be as you wish. I wish both of you a good day."
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Georien

Georien stayed in the context of imperial burial in Strasburg. He walked slowly through the high rooms of the imperial offices.
Arrived before the office of the imperial king of arms, he knocked on shortly and entered.
Appropriate to the rank he bowed and spoke; "My Duke, I'm Georien of Connacht. I have some questions on your hands.

My Duke, on 23/06/1462 bringing my servants a message (PM ingame and 1.Forum).
Your office showed no reaction.
Can you acknowledge receipt of the letter of the creation of a fief within the borders of the county "lip"?
If the petition is sufficient or needs her more documents?

On the subject of the dynasty:

My dynasty is registered in DKR.
What are my documents deliver your Office to register?

Again bowing Georien, waiting for a reaction

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Findecano

"Ah, the county of Lippe, am I right?" Findecano answers with a smile to the man who just entered his office. "However, I am afraid that maybe you have confused me with the Reichshofrat. You are a noble living in the German Kingdom and therefore the correct person for you to help with such matters is the Reichshofrat, until it is clear how the immediate nobility will be divided between the Kingdoms and Empire, because with the current Imperial Nobility Law it is impossible to work in a good way.

For the Imperial Dynasties, you can write a request to me with all information about the family, the same information as the German Kingdom uses. However, possibly all German families have to remain part of the heraldry of the German Kingdom. So this is not sure yet.
And a map for the whole Empire is being made, but with the recent changes a lot of the work has to be started from scratch."

In 99% of all cases the fiefs use the historical borders, if there are any sources for it.

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Georien

Yes I am, Georien responds smiling. My Duke, I am aware, where am I.
My application to the creation of a fief was referred from Reichshofrat to you.
His words:"because it is in your fief to a Imperial fief because I can only refer to the Imperial King of arms and the Imperial notary".
You can see me a bit confused, I would therefore like to ask you for advice.

My irritation over Heraldry have died down, many things have proven to be unimportant to another can not be influenced.
Georien shrugged his shoulders, "That's life."

For information about the Dynasty I thank you, an occasion for our dynasty was to update the family tree.
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Findecano

Findecano sighs after hearing the problem. And these are exactly the problems caused by the new Imperial Law... It has to be changed soon. I will discuss the matter with the Reichshofrat, which will probably mean that I will help you further instead of him.
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Badak

Se doutant bien de la réponse qu'on lui donnera, il été venu dans l'espoir qu'on lui donne une solution permettant de débloquer sa situation assez ennuyeuse.

- Bonjours, je me présente, je me nomme Badak de Isthar, chevalier de son Altesse Jade de Sparte. Si je suis ici c'est pour une raison bien particulière. Ayant était adoubé sur fief impérial il m'est visiblement impossible de me faire enregistrer au nobiliaire royale de la Lotharingie. De ce fait on ma envoyé ici même, et à cela je voudrait savoir comment je peux me débloquer de cette situation. Merci de votre temps que vous me consacrerai.

****reverso translate****

Suspecting well the answer which we shall give him, it come in the hope that we give him a solution allowing to free its rather boring situation.

- Hello, I appear, I am called Badak de Isthar, a knight of his Highness Jade de Sparte. If I am here it is for a very particular reason. Having was knighted on imperial fief he is apparently impossible for me to make me register in nobiliary royal of Lotharingie. Of this fact we my messenger right here, and in it I would want to know how I can free of this situation. Thank you for your time which shall dedicate you me.
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Chevalier de Salzbourg,
Chevalier de Pleubian,

Findecano

Findecano greeted the knight and responded: Welcome sir Badak. My name is Findecano de Brancion, Imperial King of Arms. I will gladly help you in this matter. As you are the vassal of an imperial noble, it is also possible to register your family in registers of the Imperial Heralry. The family cannot be registered as an Imperial Dynasty, because you are not the holder of an immediate fief and I do not know if your family has five members. However, I see no problem in registering your family as a normal noble family in the Imperial Roll of Arms. For this I need a family tree and a blazon of the family. If there is no blazon yet, I am willing to create one for you. And any certificates from the church that apply to your family are also welcome so I can keep them in the archives to prove that you are legally baptized. I hope this helps you?
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Badak

Delighted with the answer of King of Imperial weapon he answered: :

- Pleased to meet you, I have in my ownership patent him of my dubbing, as well as my family tree. I also possess a blazon the original of which is presented without the ornament at present Breton with the new crown which follows.

Presenting at first the crown:

Ending by document in its ownership:

Citation:

Patent of Nobility

To the holder of this patent,
To whom it may concern,

"Votre Altesse, c'est avec une grande fierté que moi, Badak de Isthar, déclare par la présente accepter cet honneur avec humilité et respect. Sur ma foi et mon honneur, je promets à Votre Altesse, en tant que Chevalier de Salzbourg, de remplir mon devoir de Obsequium, Consilium et Auxilium. Que le Très-Haut soit le témoin de mon serment."

Alexandrine de Réaumont-Kado'ch Van Ansel
Imperial Herald

Citation:

Famille de Isthar van Mesmerenberg:

Head of the family : Badak de Isthar van Mesmerenberg
Legitimate heir : Sélène de Isthar van Mesmerenberg
Slogan : Uni par le sang / United by the blood
Blasonnement : Of gold in the dragon of armed sand and lampassé of mouths, in the leader(head) of sand loaded five golden stars

Genealogy:

* First generation:

1. Badak de Isthar van Mesmerenberg (1439 - xxxx)
2. Sélène de Isthar van Mesmerenberg (Selenic IG) (1436 - xxxx)

* The second generation:

He had thought of a thing but unfortunately he could not shown the document in question.

- Unfortunately if one needs that a certificate of baptism I have never received further to my baptism November 25th, 1460 from it (http://forum.lesroyaumes.com/viewtopic.php?t=2052562&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135).
I hope that it will raise no problem.

After a light break...

- My sister, Sélène, was also knighted by its Highness. Do I have to present this patent? Or does she necessarily have to make him of her even? Concerning her blazon does she owe also worn mine or she has to make her own blazon?

hrp : Sorry for my bad english
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Chevalier de Salzbourg,
Chevalier de Pleubian,

Selenic

Bonjour
Je suis Sélène van Mesmerenberg, Chevalier de Salzbourg.
Tout comme mon frère je souhaiterais m'enregistré dans le nobiliaire en tant que chevalier de Salzbourg

Hello,
I'm Sélène van Mesmerenberg,Knight of Salzbourg
I would wish to register me as a knight of Salzburg like Badak

Sélène s'avança pour rejoindre son frère. Elle venait pour la même chose que lui. Elle apporta tout de même sa patente.

Selene advanced to join her brother. It came for the same thing as him. It brought its licence all the same.

Citation:

Patent of Nobility

To the holder of this patent,
To whom it may concern,

"Votre Altesse, c'est avec une grande fierté que moi, Sélène van Mesmerenberg, déclare par la présente accepter cet honneur avec humilité et respect. Sur ma foi et mon honneur, je promets à Votre Altesse, en tant que Chevalier de Salzbourg, de remplir mon devoir de Obsequium, Consilium et Auxilium. Que le Très-Haut soit le témoin de mon serment."

Alexandrine de Réaumont-Kado'ch Van Ansel
Imperial Herald

Citation:

Patente d'anoblissement

Au porteur de la patente,
A tout ceux concerné,

Alexandrine de Réaumont-Kado'ch Van Ansel
Héraut Impériale

Attention,
Mona apparait aussi sur l'arbre.

warning,
Mona also appears on the....

Citation:

1. Badak de Isthar van Mesmerenberg (1439 - xxxx)
2. Sélène de Isthar van Mesmerenberg (Selenic IG) (1436 - xxxx)
3. Mona de Isthar van Mesmerenberg (1430 - 1460)

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_ingeburge_

After Comyr's funeral.

To a valet, after greeting him :
Please announce...
She didn't know. Her fiefs in Empire were such a mess.
Ingeburge Malzac d'Euphor.
When you're in the dark, keep it simple.

Beatrix_algrave

Beatrix was traveling through the Sacrum Imperium Romanorum Nationis Germanicæ. After visiting the Duchy of Modena, she decided to take the trip to meet the Office of the Imperial King of Arms and really appreciated the work of the heralds of the Sacrum Imperium. Beatrix is a a herald of the Heráldica Portuguesa and was excited to know the work of the another heraldics from different kingdoms.

Unfortunately, the Imperial King of Arms seemed busy, so she didn't want to disturb him. At the end, she enjoyed some of the works exhibited and gone, because she has make a long journey until return to her home.

Beatrix estava viajando pelo Sacrum Romanorum Imperium Nationis Germanicæ. Depois de visitar o Ducado de Modena, ela aproveitou a viagem para conhecer o Office of the Imperial King of Arms e apreciar o trabalho dos arautos do Sacrum Imperium. Beatrix era uma arauto da Heráldica Portuguesa e estava ansiosa para conhecer o trabalho de heráldicas de outros países.
Infelizmente, o Imperial King of Arms parecia ocupado, então ela prefeiu não interrompê-lo. No final, apreciou alguns dos trabalhos expostos e, em seguida partiu, pois precisava fazer uma longa viagem de retorno ao lar.

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Office of the Imperial King of Arms

Findecano

The rooms and offices for the Imperial Heraldry are located on the second floor of the Imperial Palace, in the north-eastern rooms and tower.

Findecano's desk offered a nice point of view through the windows of the tower. Here he would receive visitors that would bring questions about anything that involves heraldry, but there was also a constant chain of letters entering and leaving his office, to be send all throughout the Empire and answering the many questions that were brought to him on paper.
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Hadrien.marcus

[ Important Meeting !]

He come in the local. He give the letter for Fin.

Hadrien wait.

Citation:

To the imperial king of arms,

From Us, His Highness Hadrien Marcus De Sparte, Duke of Breslau, Prince of Schweidnitz and immediate Lord of Dinant,

Hello!

First, we ask you to create for us a new set of seals so that we can properly seal our letters before the new imperial heraldic law. In the seal, we would like to have: Hadrian 1st, Duke of Breslau. We would like to have a phoenix as an engraved image.

Second, we ask to change our coat of arms. We know that you normally have our coat of arms. It will be necessary that the lordship of Chevigny be removed from our arms because we do not know if a count of province may or may not have vassals and we prefer to have a correct coat of arms with the fief we hold on our own.

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Third, we ask permission to move the vassals we decide to keep to our Duchy and our Principality. We demand to grant only a patent to the nobles that will be moved because they have already made allegiances in a legal ceremony to relieve everyone.

Fourth and finally, we also would like to make new ennoblements in our duchy and our principality.

To proceed to third and fourth in the list, we need to know the coat of arms and new fief names on our lands in order to create new nobles and move our vessels that we already have.

May the almighty protect you,

His Highness Hadrian Marcus de Sparte.
Made on 25th of May 1462.

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Millerose

Viscountess of Gorbio visited the imperial herald to have some clarification on the new imperial nobility Law.

Good morning. I'm Millerose di Leostilla. I received Gorbio as territory in Savoy in January after my term of duchess office. I would like to take vassals fairly quickly following a promise that I made. I made the request to the herald of Savoy, Viscountess Sarah Elizabeth. Her answer surprised me enough as it told me that I could not ennoble because with the new law on the nobility, there would be quotas.

Here is the letter she sent me in response.

Citation:

From: Sarah_elisabeth
Date posted: 06/10/1462 - 9:33:06 p.m.
Title: Re: Enquiry
Hello Viscountess,

we are now taking into account the new imperial law nobility of the Empire. As part of this one, quotas have been set up by the Emperor, the latter blocks in the text the possibility of further ennoblement. Our reigning are currently talking to the imperial marshal weapons and so we are forced to wait for the news of these before considering new files to heraldry of Savoy.

As soon as I know more, I will certainly contact you.

Sincerely,

Sarah Elisabeth vHvD
Herald Savoie

Can you tell me more and confirm that it is the will of the emperor block any ennoblement? I find it strange that we talk about when we see the quota noble accumulating titles in Savoy.
Thank you in advance to respond me.

Sorry for traduction, I used Google Translation.

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Findecano

The young duke of Westphalia looked up from his work when someone entered his office. He stood up and listened to her introduction and the presentation of a problem. She offered him the translation of a letter which he read. He did his best to understand correctly what she wanted to tell him, but the problem was quite clear for him. He responded:

"Welcome, Viscountess. As you might already know, I am Findecano de Brancion, Imperial King of Arms. I will gladly explain to you the current problems.
The new Imperial law of Nobility has a section that speaks about the vassals of the immediate nobility -these are the nobles that are a direct vassal of His Imperial Majesty- and does not speak about the provincial nobility. For instance, a immediate viscount can grant 3 knighthoods, so the people will be knights without a specific fief. You however, are a member of the provincial nobility, a viscountess. At the moment there are no set limits for the provincial nobles, or at least in my understanding of the law. I have asked His Imperial Majesty if this is right and if I should create a decree for the number of allowed vassals of the provincial nobility. I have also asked all the heads of the provincial heraldries for their advice on the number of vassals, so everyone is happy. Some patience will be needed however, because the Emperor is a very busy man with a lot of matters that need his direct attention.

I hope I have explained the matter to your understanding and satisfaction?"
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Millerose

The Young viscountess smiles to the duke and listened his explanation. She also tried to understand because the English language is not her mother tongue.

Thanks to receive me, my Duke. I'm happy to meet you. So if I understand what you say, there's not any quota on provincial nobility ? In this case, I wait confirmation from the emperor and I'll return to the heraldry of Savoy for my demand.
And for Leadership and Baron, it's always the same as before ? A baron may also conduct ennoblement?

Please, excuse me for my poor English. I don't talk easily in that language.
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Findecano

Findecano shakes his head and replies: "No, the barons and seigneurs are not the same as before. They are now different names for the same rank. The Italians have the 'barons' as lowest title with a fief. The Dutch, Germans and Slovenian have the 'seigneur' as lowest title with a fief. For the French provinces a choice still has to be made." In any case none of them can do ennoblements because they are the lowest landed title.
There will be a quota on the vassals of the nobles of the provinces. The exact amounts are still under discussion."

It depends on the historical facts. Did they historically call the lowest landed titles ''barons'' or ''seigneurs''?
Research is done by several French players into this case.

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Achille_fieschi

The servant handed a letter.

Kraljevina Bosna ~ Venerdì 20 Giugno 1462

With this letter, I'd like to thank the King of Arms and Duke Findecano for the wonderful work done in my Coat of Arms. May the Most High protect you for ever.

With respect,

Knight and Lieutenent of the Aquilae Imperatoris
Imperial Postal Officer
Chancellor of the CAPI
Subdeacon of Siena

Vitello

Good day King of Arms.
Is to confirm that I have spoken privately with His Majesty the Emperor a few days ago and with him we agreed to replace the Marquis of Santo Stefano, initially referred to as an imperial fief to assign me, with that of Ivrea.

Have a nice day.

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Tacuma_giustiniani

The old Cardinal reached the office dl King of Arms, on the second floor of the Imperial Palace, together with the cousin Cristina.
Good morning I am the Cardinal Tacuma, and I'm here to have a clarification ... maybe more than one ... on my imperial county of Toggemburg.
He smiled and resumed
Your grace I am committed to travel in the realms and I need to ... nominate a vassal? a Lord? I do not know which figure I could name...
And then I wonder what would happen if I had, for a time, to establish my residence outside the Sring.

Findecano

Findecano welcomes the cardinal in his office. "Your Eminence, welcome. I hope that I can be of service to you.
To answer your questions. In the Italian region there is the rule that a fief must have a castellan when the lord is away. This rule does not apply to Imperial fiefs, so there is no need to worry if you would decide to travel. However it is still possible to ennoble vassals if you wish. Because Toggenburg is a county, you may ennoble one lord and dub three knights.
Then to answer your worries about moving outside of the SRING I can tell you that in your case you needn't worry, Your Eminence. You are not obligated to follow the auxilium in person because all clergy are exempted. However, your consilium will still be welcomed in the Imperial Diet."
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Tacuma_giustiniani

Your Grace, thank you for the explanation.
I should have the residence for a period in the Serenissima Venice ... where I am making, in fact I have largely fixed some problems.
I know that as a priest I will never take up arms, but of course my aixilium was always offered under other garments, food aid and ducats.
I wish it was my cousin Cristina, who accompanied me here, to take care of the fief during my absence.
How am I going to appoint her? Is interrupted, clasping her hands, obviously, when this sad period of mourning will be ended

Findecano

The King of Arms nods and smiles. Then he continues: "Your Eminence may also appoint a steward. The steward will govern the fief in the case of absence and I think that under the current situation this is the wisest thing to do. Appointing a steward for a fief is done very easily, as I only need a written note for this as proof of the appointment. This way your cousin can act on your behalf in Toggenburg and you can stay in Venice without any concerns."
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Tacuma_giustiniani

Your grace, he said, bowing his head I do not know how to thank you for your concern of responses and especially their clarity!.
I will provide for the appointment of my cousin, just mourning will end ... because everything has its time, and this is after the anguish, pain and prayers for our emperor.
I thank you again turned to his cousin, silent beside him, to make her nod that they could go.

Coccodema

Behind the cousin she was trying to listen and understand what the two men were saying.

Your Grace, I am very honored to help His Eminence with his county while he is out of the Empire. He loves his land and would not want to see them abandoned.

But I have a question, if you have time to answer. What should I do to become his Vassal?

I am very grateful for your availability and the time that you are giving.
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Findecano

"To become his vassal His Eminence should write me to request a ceremony to ennoble you as his vassal. Together with him I would find a fief within his county that he could enfeoff you with. I would then make the blazon for this fief and choose a date with His Eminence for the ceremony. One of the Italian-speaking Imperial Heralds will then be available for the ceremony at a location of your choosing. The ceremony could also happen here in Strasbourg, but at the moment the rooms are limited. Usually it happens in the castle of the liege lord. During the ceremony the new vassal would make an oath and in return he or she is granted the rights for the fief and receives the blazon and a patent to prove that the ceremony took place.
I hope this is clear, but if you have any further questions, feel free to ask."

It is allowed to post topics for imperial fiefs in the ''Territories of the Empire'' subforum where you are free to roleplay about your fief, as long as there is an English translation.

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Tacuma_giustiniani

Findecano

Georien

Again bowing Georien, waiting for a reaction

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Findecano

In 99% of all cases the fiefs use the historical borders, if there are any sources for it.

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Georien

Findecano

Badak

Findecano

Badak

Ending by document in its ownership:

Citation:

Patent of Nobility

To the holder of this patent,
To whom it may concern,

Alexandrine de Réaumont-Kado'ch Van Ansel
Imperial Herald

Citation:

Genealogy:

* First generation:

1. Badak de Isthar van Mesmerenberg (1439 - xxxx)
2. Sélène de Isthar van Mesmerenberg (Selenic IG) (1436 - xxxx)

* The second generation:

Selenic

Bonjour
Je suis Sélène van Mesmerenberg, Chevalier de Salzbourg.
Tout comme mon frère je souhaiterais m'enregistré dans le nobiliaire en tant que chevalier de Salzbourg

Hello,
I'm Sélène van Mesmerenberg,Knight of Salzbourg
I would wish to register me as a knight of Salzburg like Badak

Sélène s'avança pour rejoindre son frère. Elle venait pour la même chose que lui. Elle apporta tout de même sa patente.

Selene advanced to join her brother. It came for the same thing as him. It brought its licence all the same.

Citation:

Patent of Nobility

To the holder of this patent,
To whom it may concern,

Alexandrine de Réaumont-Kado'ch Van Ansel
Imperial Herald

Citation:

Patente d'anoblissement

Au porteur de la patente,
A tout ceux concerné,

Alexandrine de Réaumont-Kado'ch Van Ansel
Héraut Impériale

Attention,
Mona apparait aussi sur l'arbre.

warning,
Mona also appears on the....

Citation:

1. Badak de Isthar van Mesmerenberg (1439 - xxxx)
2. Sélène de Isthar van Mesmerenberg (Selenic IG) (1436 - xxxx)
3. Mona de Isthar van Mesmerenberg (1430 - 1460)

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_ingeburge_

After Comyr's funeral.

To a valet, after greeting him :
Please announce...
She didn't know. Her fiefs in Empire were such a mess.
Ingeburge Malzac d'Euphor.
When you're in the dark, keep it simple.

Beatrix_algrave

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