Réponse de Tenno no Amaterasu au Shogun.

Amaterasu.

annonce du shogun a écrit:

- En Hatakayema, une fervente partisane de la dictature Otomo, Francesca, originaire d'Oda, s'est emparée du pouvoir avec l'appui d'une Chef brigande bien connue, Amaterasu, et depuis ne cesse de déverser son fiel et ses calomnies contre tous les opposants à l'expansion d'Otomo, elle vient même de déclarer, se saisissant d'un faux prétexte, qu'elle allait ouvertement leur apporter son appui, volant ainsi au secours de la victoire puisqu'Otomo gagne déjà sur tous les fronts. Il m'a été rapporté qu'elle-même a des visées expansionnistes sur le kuni de Miyoshi.

Amaterasu entendant un tel tissu de mensonge de la part de celle qui pourtant avait été élue par le peuple et pronait alors la paix sur l'ensemble des terres nipponnes, fût dans l'obligation de répondre.

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A l'attention de Mitsuki Chan.

Est ce coutume locale en Yamana que le mensonge ?
Je ne pense pas vous avoir déjà rencontré et pourtant vous semblez déjà mal me connaitre.
Alors ainsi je suis bien connu et chef brigande ?

Ensuite vous dites que grace à mon appui, Francesca, Hakateyama no Daimyo, Originaire d'Uchi et non pas d'Oda s'est emparée du pouvoir en Hakateyama.

Considérez vous qu'être élue par le peuple revient à s'emparer du pouvoir ?
Vous êtes vous emparée du pouvoir lors des élections Shogunal ?

Maintenant je vous prierai de ne pas ainsi salir mon nom et je vous rappelle que pour une fervente partisane d'Otomo, j'ai simplement monté une armée nommée "Oda libre et debout" et suivie par de nombreux Oda jin, nous avons fait sortir du territoire d'Oda, l'armée de Kiato avec l'agreement d'Otomo qui s'y trouvait alors.

Ceci sans l'assentiment des dirigeants d'Oda lesquels ont fait appel à Otomo pour les aider dans un conflit interne.

Maintenant j'attend de votre part un démenti. Lorsque l'on est au courant de rien, on s'abstient de faire de telle annonce et surtout de les répandre sur l'ensemble du territoire Nippon.

De ce fait, qu'en est-il de la véracité du reste de votre déclaration ?....Rien.... des rumeurs, encore des rumeurs...

Vous avez été élue sur une promesse de paix, Hakateyama est une province en paix et qui souhaite le rester.

Vous venez de déclarer une guerre, elle sera sans nous.

Apprenez à vous entourer de personnes fiables celà vous évitera certainement bien des maladresses à la fois dans vos paroles mais aussi dans vos actes.

Tenno no Amaterasu

Hakateyama no Sheriff.

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Amaterasu.

When hearing those filthy rags, pronounced by the one who had been elected by the multitude, who, without cease, advocated Peace upon all the japanese territories, Amaterasu could not help but to respond ; to deny them.

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To Mitsuki Chan.
Is lying a tradition in Yamana ?
I do not think that I have ever seen thou before, although thou seem to know me quite bad.
Thus, I am a famous master of thieves ?

What's more, thou pretend that thanks to me,Francesca, Hakateyama no Daimyo (which comes from Uchi and not from Oda), has taken the power over Hakateyama.

Do thou consider that being chosen by the masses is nothing more but a mediocre coup d'état ?

Where Thou were elected, was it a coup d'état ?

Now I shalt ask thee not to blacken my name, and I remind thee that my only deed as a fervent defender of Otomo, I merely raised a host named "Oda Libre et Debout", and, with the aid of numerous Odajin and the agreement of Otomo, we drove Kiato's Army out of Oda.

All this without the approval of the Government of Oda who demanded Otomo's aid to avoid a sundering.

Now I expect a denial from thee. When thou do not even knowst about the truthfullness of thy words, please refrain from claiming such opprobrium, above all if thou spread them all across the land.

All thou said are rumors, nothing more than rumors...

Thou werest elected because thou promised peace. Hakateyama is in Harmony and thus it shalt remain.

Thou just declared war, to which we shalt not take part.

Learn to choose thy friends, for thus thou shalt avoid many mistakes.

Tenno no Amaterasu

Hakateyama no Sheriff.

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Kakata

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Is lying a tradition in Yamana ?

In Yamana behalf no!
It had been with a former Daimyo thou know well.
Nowadays no more.
But I'm sure that thou art more lovely and more temperate ...and smart, to trust in some form of complaints...still hanging around Nippon, isn'it?
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Bertocci

Kakata a écrit:

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Is lying a tradition in Yamana ?

In Yamana behalf no!
It had been with a former Daimyo thou know well.
Nowadays no more.
But I'm sure that thou art more lovely and temperate ...and smart, to trust in some form of complaints...still hanging around Nippon, isn'it?

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Bertocci when he heard the words of kakata sent to him a message:

Kakata not be angry if out of Yamana no one believes your lies...

Nobody out of Yamana believes in yours lies, only the yamana's people unfortunately believes more in Ashikaga Yamana's lies

What happened to korin reminds you of something?
What happened to korin?

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Kakata

I really don't know and really don't mind.
What had to do with this 3D?
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Aimijun

Passing by she heard what the man was saying and responded:

"I will explain it to you: "the guy" from Yamana has been killed by a thunder, sent by the Kami as a punishment for his dishonourable behaviour.
Remember now?
Apparently - so I was told - he was quite obviously trying to help the army of your relative Takauji in Otomo and whoever else was with him, read your best friend Umezawa no Oishi_shinken... by cheating.

Then, on top of this despicable happening, lies came out in the open in the regards of the Daimyo of Hatakeyama and Oda.
Unfortunately this time "someone" took a gossip a little too far, telling the Shogun a bunch of lies that once in the light have outraged people,
creating embarrassing situations for the Shogun and big turmoils.
So, as behind all of these happenings appear to be some disgraceful Yamanese people, I believe it is quite understandable why now both Francesca and Amaterasu are struggling to give credit to Yamana officials and Councillors.

I am almost sure we could link Ashikaga Yamana to those "incorrect" reporting of informations to the Shogun,
being that Nimue - the Shogun's spokeswoman - is Yamanese, an Ashikaga and relocated to Hatakeyama since a couple of months.
Also, being that you have already done similar slander work to me and my Clan - saying to Miyoshi Councillors that we are criminals when we are not - it's proven already what kind of manipulators and liars, outcast and despicable Samurai/people with no honour you are.
Little they know in Miyoshi that me and my Clan are politically persecuted and our reputation turnished everywhere we go by YOU,
Ashikaga Yamana and friends, the very same traitors whom breached Yamana Laws, sacred Samurai oaths and took advantage of our trip to Miyoshi
so to take charge at the Council and impede our return home!
So who could blame Francesca now, for putting one and one together thinking - maybe - so?

Well, you all are better stop mouthing lies around and keep in mind that EVERY BODY NOW knows how much you love to spread gossips so to ruin honest people's reputation.
I seriously wonder why the Shogun keeps listening to you bunch, just to end up in such uncomfortable situations. It's a mystery to me."

And off she was gone again.

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Nimue

I'm sorry to dissapoint you but I have said nothing to the Shogun, so try something else to accuse us.
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Aimijun

She was far from the man when Nimue, another relative of him spoke to her. Rage made her blood boil.

"You, Ashikaga, are made all of the same material: lies.
You yourself Nimue have lied in the public square in Yamana, taking advantage of my absence so to turnish MY reputation and that of my Clan,
saying I offered Shiono some haramakiS I allegedly had stolen from Yamana.
You went on saying you could prove it, BUT NEVER DID. You don't have any document that could do that; wanna know why? Cause it wasn't true!

There were no haramakiS in Yamana inventory: the only one left was GIVEN to me to fight the usurpers and there is proof of that;
it went destroyed when the army of your relative Takauji ATTACKED YAMANA LEGITIMATELY ELECTED DAIMYO, so to impede his return to power!
And WHO was said mentioned Daimyo? ME.
On the contrary of what done by you Ashikaga, I have NEVER stolen a single cent/good from Yamana, I HAVE NEVER breached its laws,
NOR that of Miyoshi that now - AWKWARDLY - sides with the very same outcast people whom betrayed Yamana Laws and its Daimyo,
NOR I DID PUT AROUND any of the disgusting, despicable rumours you Ashikaga have kept seeding everwhere about me and my Clan!

I am told in fact that at present Shiono has been given access to Yamana Council' rooms and is "discussing" with the traitors and liars
how to "take care" of me and my Clan.
So let's see HOW MANY and WHOM of those outcast are at power in Yamana Council at present, organising with Shiono our Clan doomsday:

Nurarihyon (Daimyo, previously MB of Himeji whom helped the traitors army) DUH!
Groaaar

Kakata (Judge previously Taisho demoted for High Treachery) DUH!
Ashikaga Yamana

Masaru (spokeperson and previous Daimyo) DUH!
Ashikaga Yamana

Misaki_aki (Public Prosecutor, previously usurper) DUH!

So you see, THERE IS after all more than a reasonable couple of things that can lead one to believe YOU Ashikaga are behind this mess,
as you always messing and mixing things up in order to cover your wrongdoings!
I suggest you all keep VERY QUIET FROM NOW ON, as your behaviour says how little credibility you can be given!
You should also stop talking behind people's back... it is DISHONOURABLE.
But surely you don't know the meaning of this word, as you don't know that of HONOUR.
Do you still want to convince someone that officials and Samurais at present in charge of Yamana are worthy of any credit whatsoever?

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Kakata

Sorry pal, stop flooding everywhere, and listen to me at least this time, but I'm not so confident as usual.
I had been your main elector, I was your best and more faithful advisor.

Thou don't even one time listened to me, had Thou done that simple thing probably Thou'ld be legal Daimyo right now, and Thou know it very well.
I had nothing to do with thine overthrowing.
Thou did everything listening only to thy incredible shelfishness.
Now Thou art harvesting only what Thou sowed, in Yamana and all over Nippon, least from those who haven't understood yet who thou art.
But lacks a little time to go.

Kami blind the ones they want to lose.

Honour?
What's honour for thee...only a void container for thine insane whishes.
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Aimijun

The man dared to speak again; she was outraged that he dared even turn to her, thinking of himself so highly after all he did.

"Shut it, you despicable liar.
Your big mouth should be closed by the Kami and that would be a great gift made to all Nippon!

You have been the main instigator about taking cities away from Uchi, proposing even to ally with Otomo during my term, then not happy you tried to take over the power detronising me long before someone else succeeded.
All of this because I AM NOT MANIPULABLE NOR CORRUPTIBLE.

You Ashikaga are a bunch of disgraceful liars, men and women unable even to keep your word; so don't try to speak as a noble hoping to lift your reputation, you will never be worth the sole of my zori.
What happened to "that guy" tells everyone that those involved in the war with armies were the only ones that could have benefited from his "help".
And why would he ever risk so much as his life to help, if nobody was benefiting from it?
And what CRIME my Clan and myself would have committed against Yamana, that you go around saying we are dangerous criminals, uh?
Liar.
One day you will pay for all the wrongdoings you did against honourable people. I will kill you myself."
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Kakata

What do Thou hope to obtain from this tremendous frenzy of lies?

Nothing more than a surge of compassion.
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Aimijun

You accused me and my Clan of lying and having breached the Law of Yamana; bring proof of your accusations then, so everyone will see WHO is lying.
But you, exactly like Nimue, don't have anything to support your slandering, because there was NO BREACHING.

You Ashikaga Yamana are the traitors of Yamana and have put us on kill list because "we didn't swear loyalty to YOUR Daimyo", your relative Masaru, the very same traitor whom instigated the rebellion and broke the most sacred oaths a Samurai can make, breaching the Law of Yamana and attacking his own master, ME.

This says all about how little honour Ashikaga Yamana members know.
Citizens by Yamana law are NOT obliged to swear, yet you didn't go by Yamana Law... you made your own.
We are not criminals, just politically persecuted people and there is a big difference between this and what YOU slander around.
So shut it. It's better.
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Masaru

Aimijun a écrit:

"we didn't swear loyalty to YOUR Daimyo"

e ti pare poco.
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Aimijun

... and there he was: the liar, the instigator, the cunning man that lead to the rebelling and fomented rumours to tarnish her reputation.

"How dare you talk to me as if we were equals?
Turn your look down you outcast, your dishonour is offending my eyes and the memory of your ancestors!

Swear lotalty to you... YOU, THE ONE THAT BETRAYED THE MOST SACRED OATH OF LOYALTY A SAMURAI TAKES IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE, THAT TO HIS MASTER?
You are obviously insane!
And how dare you going around saying that we are criminals?
WE ARE NOT! You had us persecuted for political reasons and fear of our return, this is a very different thing!
Look at yourself Ashikaga Yamana, how low you have gone to pursue greed: dealing with people of doubtful virtue so to take a chance of having us killed, then enjoy going on with more wrongdoing and no one stopping you.... what a disgust.
It doesn't come as a surprise that Yamana present officials are trusted nowhere except in Yamana and Miyoshi and/or between themselves.
I sincerely hope that everyone can now understand WHY you don't deserve to be trusted.
You two cowards are even more unworthy of any credit and respect for what you have done, you don't even deserve a dignifying death;
but you will be punished one day and I will be there."

She then turned away and left the two disgraced men there. Never in her life she had met two men so shallow and untrustworthy.
Not even between ronins.
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Amaterasu.

Amaterasu écoutait la dispute entre Aimijun et les membres du clan Ashikaga de Yamana.

Elle ne connaissait pas cette femme, mais elle avait le sentiment qu'elle disait la vérité. Enfin une dans ce monde remplit de deshonneur et de corruption celà lui fît plaisir de savoir que celà pouvait encore exister les gens honnetes.

Elle sourit volontier à la jeune femme.
Je trouve assez étrange que tout le monde se positionne sur ce courrier que j'adresse au Shogun, sauf elle. Serait-elle cachée ? Aurait-elle peur d'avouer sa méprise ?
Il n'y a pas de honte à reconnaitre ses erreurs au contraire même, celà montrerai qu'elle n'est pas si obtue que celà et que parfois elle réfléchit par elle même !

Je ne suis jamais allé en Yamana, mais ce que j'entend sur ces habitants ne m'inspire pas l'envie de m'y rendre.

Peut-être que tous ses mensonges sont liés à la peur que je monte à nouveau une armée... Tous les chefs militaires n'ont pas mes capacités, il faut bien le reconnaitre. Mais l'art de la guerre ne tient pas tant à sa stratégie qu'à la volonté de ses soldats en la cause du combat.
Les samourais ne sont pas des moutons, ils se battent pour des causes justes !
Vous n'embauchez pas des samourais, vous embauchez des Ronins qui acceptent de risquer leur vie pour quelques Kobans et un semblant de noblesse.

Je me moque de votre noblesse et de vos kobans, mon nom : Tenno_no_Amaterasu est suffisament noble par lui même et je ne souhaite pas qu'il soit salit par un quelconque lien avec le Shogun.

Je suis née en Uchi à Nakatsu où j'ai accueilli les premiers habitants du lieu.

J'ai su que mes amis et ma famille ont été tué lors de la prise de cette ville par Otomo.
Mais cette histoire est ancienne maintenant et je sais très bien que ce n'est pas une nouvelle guerre qui va relever Uchi de son déficit.

Accepter l'accord de paix avec Otomo c'est faire acte d'avancée vers la paix.
Si vous ne comprenez pas celà c'est que votre sang est souillé par le mal et la volonté de faire mal aux autres.

Je n'aime pas les mensonges et je ne me laisse pas manipuler.
Aussi commencez par respecter vos promesses d'oeuvrer pour la paix, nous pourrons discuter de celui ou celle qui ment lorsque cette promesse sera tenue.
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Kakata

Sorry Amaterasu-sama, often too many words are useful only to conceal very specific intents.
So that, I'll go straight to the point.

Is it thine intention to launch a Nippon global war to satisfy the foolish ambition and thirst of vengeance of a single person or maybe, two?
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Shiono

I believe that this is the case, as we in Miyoshi have been subject to Aimijuns threats, blackmail and attempts at manipulation. Before that Aimijun was allowed to live peacefully in our Kuni, regardless of what Yamana wanted, we said to the Yamana council that we could not get involved in what looks to us a political fight and that it must remain in Yamana's Kuni and not come out into the world. The Yamana council accepted this.

Yet when Aimijun asked for an army so that they could go and attack Yamana. Miyoshi said no, as it did not have any intention of going into war with Yamana over a civil political dispute. Unlike Yamana council who accepted this and still remained friends, Aimijun became unreasonable, as she has become here. In fact Miyoshi has arrested Aimijun over her threats and manipulations, she is caught under a good behaviour bond and with a promise to be charged if she and her crew do not leave within 72 hours to show that they have the intention to respect Miyoshi's goverment. Unfortunately she only has 1 day left and has not moved.

We can only assume that her words and now her actions are purely motivated from willfullness and self-interest. She has no care for any one or anything but herself. She has lost the shelter of Miyoshi and soon enough she I am sure she will lose the humour of many more Kuni's. Of course then Hata's present governement in the form of the Lezards Francesca and Aamatseru. Have plans of their own and I am sure that they support Aimijun for their own reasons. And it was I and Miyoshi council who saw with horror the Lezards simply walk into the top jobs of Hatakeyma, only a month after helping Oda kuni defeat them in their attempts to take Oda Kuni by force that alerted those of our friends in Hatakeyma to who they really were. And with shock Hatakeyma now rises up to challenge them and treat them with suspicion. We publically support our cousins in their time of concern, because it is also our concern what happens to Hatakeyma and I only hope that the people of Hata that we know and trust will see the sense that the world is currently trying to be torn apart by a few and to stand firm and to stand up against their manipulations, screams and willfull missuse of kindness, if its not in the form that they wish.

Aimijun will become a criminal in 2 more days, with a conviction against her name in Miyoshi, then her shouts that she is not a criminal, this will no longer be the case - criminal my dear also means a disobeyer of laws - I care not whether another Kuni disobeyed you, we cannot know the truth of that, and that is what Miyoshi council has decided this, whether you or ashikage clan is correct, only you, that clan and the people of yamana can decide. But you will be a criminal in 2 more days, because have disobeyed another Kuni's orders, and this will brand you criminal for all the rest of your days.

One hopes you can handle the title. One doubts that you will however.

We listened to no one, we listened to you and your rantings, your blackmail and your manipulations of Miyoshi Council and judged you according to them and according to your willfull disobeyment of this council, may your actions speak louder than all the words that anyone can throw at you. It has been a dissapointment to me, that you would treat the shelter and Miyoshi so badly as you have. We remained neutral, your council of Yamana respected that, and you did not. And therefore, I have more faith in Yamana council than I do in your words, from this point on.

Another word: you were misled regards Nimue saying that you were in cahoots with me, I investigated this point. I cannot remember the details now, but she accused you and I of nothing. It was a joke misread by one of your friends no doubt. More like, its "like if...." than that anything did happen. An hypothesis.

I should also tell you that the use of stealth packs is only to prevent you from being arrested by our Public Prosecutor, you are already arrested. For one that claims to have vast knowledge of military power and strategy you know very, very little and just wasted your time, yet again.
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Miyoshi treasury is locked, not in debt. Hatakeyama has 1 town left. There are many battles in the war, we have won more.

Aimijun

Then came the turn of that woman. No matter how she dressed herself up, her word was still worth less than a koban and her lack of manners showed her true nature.

"Sure, hypothesis as those "threats" of mine you are blasting about.
I see here that Ashikaga Yamana taught you well their system: if you are at power you don't need to proof anything, just go slander then put under trial/killing list people, so one way or another your mess will be covered up.
Let me explain HOW you got to say we are threatening you: it all began with Laylani, your Daimyo, saying publicly that money went missing from your Kuni funds. She asked explanations and some of you came up with utter rubbish to justify the loss, then all went quiet soon, you all weirdly "accepting" incorrect explanations about the loss, dismissing it as it was never happened.
I then made a simple audit out of the very same ones you yourselves have presented, so that everyone could compare them and see where the money had gone.
I did it as I meant to relocated in Miyoshi and care; because I hate liars, thieves and bullies.
How THIS traduces suddenly into a threat? Maybe you feared the truth would have come out exposing some of you...?

And if we were to attack Miyoshi as you claim, we surely wouldn't have asked permission to raise the army; it would have been plain stupid.
You were told in the proposal that it was solely to ESCORT safely back home my Clan, whom have been unfairly put in killing list; we wanted to stand a fair chance of being able to defend ourselves in case we were attacked by their armies.
Can you blame us for wanting one?

Truth is that we have worked in Miyoshi, THERE ARE PROOFS OF THIS: at the dock to help speed up the development, in your mines so to help recover finances and we even commissioned you a ship that would have brought to Miyoshi more money.
HOW all of this can ever embody a threat?
You claims are simply ridiculous.

You can go on supporting a bunch of criminals you befriended, but you will NOT go around saying we did or meant wrong to you, nor that we are criminals.
WE HAVE/ARE NOT.
You instead are breaching now your own laws, depriving honest people of their rights and threatening them with preventive trials and even death.
I don't know what your gain is in all of this, but one thing is for sure: you are lying alot and you are NOT a honest person.
To conclude, as a matter of facts it is you and not me - between us - the one with many criminal records in her past, including the assault and sizing of Yamana Shiro not very long ago.

So - maybe - it makes more sense to believe that both of your parties, Tsunami/Forsaken and Ashikaga Yamana, are striving to make out of us criminals because we exposed and fought your wrongdoings.
Clearly, you are pathetic liars, and deceitful, dishonest people with no honour whatsoever.
That is the only truth."

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Shiono

Our gain is peace Aimijun and the cessation of your threats with your group, and your blackmail to our council. You are at trial through a vote by the entire council. You are at trial to ensure your good behaviour and exit of our Kuni with those persons who you were only a few days shouting we would have to deal with if we didnt do what you said.

I have not ever treated you badly my dear, I have spoken reasonably as has others in Miyoshi, it is you that are ranting and screaming and raging and etc. Anyways, the council voted legitimately on what to do about you, your clan and your demands.

Already those that are innocent have written to us nicely to tell us they understand our concerns and that they are not involved, however they are happy to leave the Kuni of Miyoshi for the time being to prove so. You remain in clear disobeyment of the government and its vote on what to do with the great threat that you claim to cause us.

Again, I dont know the Yoshiga that well, heard tell that their not to fond of me either. Your mistake was that I or Miyoshi would listen and allow others to influence us. But then again Aimijun cannot be the problem can she? Or the reason for the situation she now finds herself in? I think there is no hope for Aimijun to see past her own nose and that everyone must be picking on poor Aimijun and that Aimijun is right in all things. Perhaps Aimijun should find some humility and clarity in that the world does not move according to her.

Miyoshi refuses you an army, and asks you to leave her Kuni, the consequences of disobeying will be your consequences and you have been given a great chance to show your intent was not what you previously claimed. As I said others who can see that threats is never a good way, have left peacefully and have been given an invitation to feel free to return to Miyoshi at a later date, and for any concerns prior to their arrival to be sent to me and I would assure them their safe passage. We like people Aimijun, and we like people who do not seek to harm us and understand we have the right to ensure that we remain unharmed. You and you alone are the reason why we cannot trust you, you cannot even be trusted to simply follow the direction that a kuni government gives you. Yet you want Yamana and now Miyoshi to bow down to you?

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Miyoshi treasury is locked, not in debt. Hatakeyama has 1 town left. There are many battles in the war, we have won more.

Aimijun

The woman had face to go on, so she had to tell her more clearly what she meant before.

The vote of a Council doesn't prove a thing; you bring proof of those "threats" or what you say remain what it is: a bunch of lies told by thugs.
Stop lying to cover up your wrongdoings; I have never threatened Miyoshi or its councillors of anything.
I only said the explanations given by you lot to the loss of money were incorrect and FOR THIS you, Teruha and Andsaca HAVE instead threatened me and my people to "use Tsunami that deals in different ways with discomfort".
How comes? All because of your fear of being exposed, fear that honest people would have notice what you do, depriving you of the golden eggs duck.

You are just criminals and the fact that you are now sitting in a Council all dressed up doesn't change that you still act as such,
infringing your own laws by slandering people with no proofs of your false claims so to help your other thugs friends in Yamana.
Your people there in Miyoshi keeps quiet because everyone fears you; I don't.
I don't fear death, nor you, nor Tsunami or any other THUG in the all Nippon.
So just shut it, you'll do a favour only to yourself.
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Hojo_no_mariko

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Of course then Hata's present governement in the form of the Lezards Francesca and Aamatseru. Have plans of their own and I am sure that they support Aimijun for their own reasons. And it was I and Miyoshi council who saw with horror the Lezards simply walk into the top jobs of Hatakeyma, only a month after helping Oda kuni defeat them in their attempts to take Oda Kuni by force that alerted those of our friends in Hatakeyma to who they really were. And with shock Hatakeyma now rises up to challenge them and treat them with suspicion. We publically support our cousins in their time of concern, because it is also our concern what happens to Hatakeyma and I only hope that the people of Hata that we know and trust will see the sense that the world is currently trying to be torn apart by a few and to stand firm and to stand up against their manipulations, screams and willfull missuse of kindness, if its not in the form that they wish.

Well, Hatakeyama has tried to work with your government through the joint council. Results? Nothing, because you are not willing to do so. You don't want any collaboration with Hatakeyama since the beginning, when Sajanzv was former Hatakeyama no daimyo a long ago. I am not blind, nor deaf.

Hatakeyama is not your toilet paper. If you insult our government, who works hard for people, well, don't expect much consideration in exchange. As I told you, we are still willing to work with you. Considering the current shape shifting happening currently in Oda - all your friends are on trial because of corruption, dictatorship behaviour and so on - I would love to see an union between Oda, Miyoshi and Hatakeyama.

Kiyomi.

Enough please! Stop that. This is not the main subject here. The subject here is the letter of Amaterasu-san to the Shogun.

The verbal fight between Aimijun and the others has not his place here. Move it somewhere else. Moreover, the law is the law, we are in a society where the criminals who break the law needs to be punished. Often, it was death, otherwise, thiefs get their hands cutted and those who dont obey to their trial result are running to the death. Well... Aimijun-chan, Shiono-san and Nimue-dono, the best for you would be to open a new room and discuss of this somewhere else. Now, we should come back to our principal subjet.

Amaterasu-san, vos propos son intéressants, j'en toucherai moi même un mot à notre shogun bien aimée.

Amaterasu.

Amaterasu semblait amusée par la situation, l'intervention de Katsumoto la ramena au sujet principal.

Oh mais ne vous en faites pas Katsumoto, laissez donc ses personnes s'exprimer, c'est fort interessant en soit.
On ne peut pas faire une telle annonce et s'attendre à ce qu'il n'y ait pas de réaction. Il faut aussi assumer ces paroles tout autant que ses actes.

Maintenant, je suis fort aise que vous informiez le Shogun de mes propos, mais n'y a t-elle pas accès par elle même ? Ne suis je donc pas digne d'une réponse en directe sans passer par un intermédiaire ?

Amaterasu retrouva son visage fermé, figé à la poudre de riz.

Si vous n'en touchez qu'un mot, j'aimerai assez savoir lequel ! Je ne fais pas de longs discours, ni de longues lettres pour qu'ils soient ensuite résumés en simplement UN mot, comprenez vous ? Il y aura forcement interprétation, et l'interprétation est la base de la rumeur.

C'est qu'elle était pointilleuse notre Ama et elle détestait la mésinformation.
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Aimijun

She listened to a man never seen around before that day, addressing everyone there as if he was the Shogun herself.
He was gibbering about justice, but all he said didn't make sense as it was addressed to the wrong people. He obviously didn't even know what was talking about and that attitude really annoyed her.

"Pray, who do you think you are to come here and silence everyone as if in your right to do so?
Criminals who break the law needs to be punished; SO people that are NOT criminals should be guaranteed their rights to be respected, everywhere in Nippon.
It is everybody's right to defend himself against those despicable, dishonourable slandering!
Lately some people - Ashikaga Yamana and Tsunami/Forsaken members in particular - appear to have made of slander their way of living,
BREACHING laws without being punished just because they sit in a council.
Well, no one, be it people or Kami, will tarnish my name or that of my Clan or anyone else with false accusations without hearing me defending them, EVER!
It should be every noble, Councillor and Samurai's duty to follow the Bushido, protecting and ensuring Justice above all.

This is the main subject discussed here: it appears Justice and Truth in Nippon are no one concerns any more, as many are left free to abuse of their temporary powers and/or connections, even their titles so to slander and tarnish other's reputation to their advantage.

Such behaviour of them dishonours the memory of all great men of Nippon, their ancestors included.
So unless you have something more appropriate to say, or unless you can do anything to punish them, I suggest YOU keep quiet and go on with your life.
Either ways don't you dare talk to us like if we were criminals and/or unworthy of respect.
We want Justice and our names cleared of the slanders once and for all!"
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Kiyomi.

It was now his turn to listen to what she had to say.

- I am who I am. I am the honourable Chief Chancellor of the whole Nippon, the Kensei of the North and one of the councillor of the Shogunate. You may be respectfull when you're speaking to me Aimijun-san, even if you're a samurai or an ancient daimyo.

He sighs.

- If they haven't been punished by the law, it's because they played well the game of the power. The one who has the power rule on his lands. It's mean that he cannot be accused of anything because that person or in that case, that council, is doing the law.

Puis, il s'adressa à Amaterasu-chan.

- Amaterasu-san, bien que vous désiriez quelques réponses, le sujet principal est votre lettre et le tout a dérivé sur les querelles entre les Taira Ronin et la loi de Miyoshi no Daimyo... Je considère qu'il y a eu un écart là... Ensuite, je n'ai pas dis que j'allais parler au nom du shogun mais celle-ci est malheureusement sollicité dans tous les sens et les cas comme les vôtres sont souvent laissés au dépourvus, chose que je m'efforce d'éviter car souvent, les cas pris au dépourvus sont ceux qui méritent une réponse.

Aimijun

She listen to the man still going on about the wrong subject, then responded calmly:

"Everyone is who he/she is and to be the Chief Councillor doesn't give you the right to come and silence no one.
You should know that in life you will get the same respect that you give.
Also, as you keep forgetting the main subject discussed here, I will repeat it for you: it appears Justice and Truth in Nippon are no one concerns any more,
as many are left free to abuse of their temporary powers and/or connections,
even their titles so to slander and tarnish other's reputation to their advantage.
The people gathered here are outraged by this behaviour and are asking - rightfully - explanations.
Your simplistic speech shows only disregard for those that abide the Law, making of Nippon something greater and better. Let's not forget that "playing" well the game of power doesn't allow space for abuses; or do we have to believe you approve such behaviour? I am appalled."

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Shiono

I'm too lazy to state it again, so please let us listen while my scribe restates what I said in the Kuni of Miyoshi.

Citation:

Evidence wise, write me if you want it, and I'll send it to you. Otherwise the evidence is ingame mails and cannot be shown here, and since this discussion started I have always felt that people would need to make their own decision, we can do nothing about that. All the council can ever do, is show that it made a decision through a vote, did it democratically and after a huge discussion about it. People will have to decide from that for the most part and we are aware of that and yet still chose to proceed and due the actions of discussion and finally voting, I hope it can be seen that this decision and subsequent action was not taken lightly.

I know that both Daigoro and Aimijun are relying on the fact that the evidence they scream about cannot be shown on the forums to sow distrust and confusion. But lets be very clear they know as well as we do, that we cannot show it here, and their relying on others to go, well their not showing the proof, so Aimijun and Daigoro must be right. But I have and always will believe that others, even the silent others are far smarter than Daigoro and Aimijun are giving them credit for and why I havent bothered myself to address their shouts about 'where is the evidence' because thats one of the oldest ploys in the book that guilty parties always use against those that follow the rules. ^^

As for the criminals on the council, My Dear, the criminals always accuse the other side of being criminals. And as already stated, you are not on trial, you are merely arrested to ensure you and your clan do not carry out the threats that you challenged to the Miyoshi council. If you did not mean them my Dear, then you should of said so when you were making them. A simple PS down the bottom of your letters stating "I am only jokiing!" would have been sufficient. ^^
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Turning to Daimyo Fransceca with a considering look. "Your response... leaves me intrigued. I must be honest, I expected some yelling and growling, not an offer of a treaty. I can respect your response if you had of too." ^^

"If you say you guys want to talk to us, and have tried, well" Shrugs and nods "Okay then, can I ask you some considerations? Even though Katsumoto will growl, that we are derailing the talks. Perhaps though, I'll open a discussion in Joint Council, see you there." ^^

(sorry for no translator, my mouse died and its too hard to make a translation at this time.)
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Miyoshi treasury is locked, not in debt. Hatakeyama has 1 town left. There are many battles in the war, we have won more.

Aimijun

That woman was really unbelievable. The amount of gibbering exiting her mouths was unbelievable.
She wasn't stupid, no; only very arrogant and simple minded.

"I take you are not serious, otherwise you should only be ashamed of yourself and go hide. Let me recall to you that in Miyoshi does not exist a law about "bond trials"; such "practise" shouldn't exist in any Kuni as it leaves space to misuse and abuse, as seen with you.
A councillor that speaks like you do is a shame on the face of his people, but your arrogance clearly feeds your ignorance and ego and you are content this way.
Still, you are breaching your own laws and are slandering respectable people abusing of the temporary powers given to you by Miyoshi citizens.
You have already heard many of them expressing clearly and publicly their strong disapproval and concerns about the way you are acting.
I would be worried in your place.
Said so, I am no slander, no criminal, no liar and I have no will either to listen to such rubbish, nor to take it. So others here.
I therefore suggest you think, before taking to speak."

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Shiono

LOL 3 people is not many Aimijun and there's more than 3 who have agreed that we the council has done the right thing. And I'd like to thank those of your own Clan who have said they understand why we did what we did. I've met some pretty decent people through out this entire incident. But you young lady really need to calm down and accept the consequences of your actions with as good grace as you can. However, after dealing with you for a while now, I realise that if people disagree with you, you subject them to voilent talk and hateful speeches. Its a pity and I hope you realise that its your behaviour that is the reason that people respond to you as they do.

Anyway, your reputation is tarnished forever in Miyoshi's eyes, and I hope others Kuni's refuse to get involved with you. Because you and your behaviour has now caused you to be exhiled from 2 Kuni's. And Miyoshi is a peaceful Kuni, has always been so, and very tolerant of many different individuals. Just not the pushover and frightened mass you hoped to find however.
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Miyoshi treasury is locked, not in debt. Hatakeyama has 1 town left. There are many battles in the war, we have won more.

Aimijun

"You don't possess the quality to charm Miyoshi, Shiono; you have done too much wrong there to be loved or liked or even trusted as worthy of credit.
Miyoshi eyes ARE NOT those of a bunch of thieves polished and dressed up, DON'T FORGET IT.
Those who agreed with the course of your actions are your relatives and "business" partners; too little and too obvious, not least pathetic.
Soon you will see how wrong and done you all are in Miyoshi; many don't speak publicly, but this doesn't mean they are not listening
and/or making their minds up.
You are too busy thinking highly - how funny - of yourself to see this.

Also, the only violent/vulgar/hatred filled speeches were/are still yours and those of your friends/brigands disguised in councillor clothes.
Still, you remain thugs that are breaching Miyoshi Law.

To conclude, in life you ONLY GET what you have been seeding; therefore if you don't show respect you won't get any back.
Sharp teeth are not your exclusivity, but fine brain and lines apparently are and belong to others. We know why.
Goodbye liar."
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Manusia

democracy is LEADING with MAJORITY.

if you don't like miyoshi now there are 2 ways to change it.
1.diplomaticly gain support on legal voting
2.military gain support or raise army and start civil war.

there is no need you guys debating here and it's very OOT with the thread started.

PS: you don't think that debating here will change anything right?

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Murakami no Manusia, Jōshu of Kii-jō (紀伊城)

Aimijun

Out of a sudden another man came from nowhere and spoke. She listened to him than responded:

"Democracy? What that would ever be?
We are talking about something else, you got it completely wrong good man.
The main subject discussed here is that Justice and Truth in Nippon appear to be no one concerns any more, as many are left free to abuse of their temporary powers and/or connections, even their titles so to slander and tarnish other's reputation to their advantage.
We want this slandering - wherever it takes place and whoever does it - to end.

So NO: it is not off topic at all.
And YES: there is need to discuss it here, since it is the main focus of this discussion and many can read it from everywhere.
What's your wish instead?
I mean, what is your aim in coming here? It is not very clear, on the contrary of our."

OCC - this is an RP, please respect at least the tag.
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Amaterasu.

Amaterasu trouvait que la réponse de Manusia était fort à propos même si il était entré sans frapper.
Aussi elle lui répondit en son langage.

Oh Manusia chan, you are here ?

Konnichiwa !

Are you sure to be Hakateyama Loyal as you like to say ?

She laughs behind her fan.

I think you forget one way:
3 the treason!

Do you really think I'm blind? I am not, far from it!
So who is at the origine of this treason? The Shogun itself or her counselor : yourself?

I'm sure all people here here will listen carefully to your answer Manusia !

She smiled and pulled out a flask of sake from his backpack.

A sake while waiting Aimijun_san ? I feel we'll have to wait a moment!
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Hojo_no_mariko

Shiono a écrit:

LOL 3 people is not many Aimijun and there's more than 3 who have agreed that we the council has done the right thing. And I'd like to thank those of your own Clan who have said they understand why we did what we did. I've met some pretty decent people through out this entire incident. But you young lady really need to calm down and accept the consequences of your actions with as good grace as you can. However, after dealing with you for a while now, I realise that if people disagree with you, you subject them to voilent talk and hateful speeches. Its a pity and I hope you realise that its your behaviour that is the reason that people respond to you as they do.

Anyway, your reputation is tarnished forever in Miyoshi's eyes, and I hope others Kuni's refuse to get involved with you. Because you and your behaviour has now caused you to be exhiled from 2 Kuni's. And Miyoshi is a peaceful Kuni, has always been so, and very tolerant of many different individuals. Just not the pushover and frightened mass you hoped to find however.

Peacefull Kuni...

Can't believe it So you never interfere in foreign affairs, don't you?

Shiono

Aimijun a écrit:

"You don't possess the quality to charm Miyoshi, Shiono; you have done too much wrong there to be loved or liked or even trusted as worthy of credit.
Miyoshi eyes ARE NOT those of a bunch of thieves polished and dressed up, DON'T FORGET IT.
Those who agreed with the course of your actions are your relatives and "business" partners; too little and too obvious, not least pathetic.
Soon you will see how wrong and done you all are in Miyoshi; many don't speak publicly, but this doesn't mean they are not listening
and/or making their minds up.
You are too busy thinking highly - how funny - of yourself to see this.

Also, the only violent/vulgar/hatred filled speeches were/are still yours and those of your friends/brigands disguised in councillor clothes.
Still, you remain thugs that are breaching Miyoshi Law.

To conclude, in life you ONLY GET what you have been seeding; therefore if you don't show respect you won't get any back.
Sharp teeth are not your exclusivity, but fine brain and lines apparently are and belong to others. We know why.
Goodbye liar."

You do understand that my party only hold 4 seats, yes? So if that is the case, the other party, reported to be in your opinion the Good guy party, then has 8 seats, and yet it was the entire council that saw your threats and asked you to leave? Listen, we understand, your mad that your little threats were called upon and you were told it would not be tolerated. Your mad that no one is playing your game and running around after you. So all you are left with is insults to very, very good people. And I do not talk about me, but the other 10 people on the council who have never, ever, ever done anything bad, or wrong.

And Fran, we're typically peaceful when it comes to our Miyoshi. We hire on as mercenaries for other engagements, and try as much as we can to fight for the good side even then. ^^
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Miyoshi treasury is locked, not in debt. Hatakeyama has 1 town left. There are many battles in the war, we have won more.

Aimijun

Amaterasu offered her a sake; she turned and accepted with a nod.

"Sure Amaterasu_sama, I believe the wait will be long..." she smiled at the lady.

The other woman was insisting with her gibberish talks, forgetting that people were not idiots as she wished them to be and everyone there knew well her past and nature.
She looked at her in disbelief:

"Shiono you have no shame, I see.
We have committed NO CRIME, we actually have WORKED in your Kuni, helping at the port and mines; yet you go around saying we are criminals.
What part of "you are breaching Miyoshi Law" you don't understand?
And what part of "you are a bunch of liars and thugs" you don't get?
You are NOT good people.

So keep quiet, it's in your best interest as no one here believe your lies.
We won't dignify you of our respect, being we only respect honest people.
Move on woman, go hide your shame."
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Laylani

Wow this is still going on? I thought it was so last week...

Aimijun a écrit:

Amaterasu offered her a sake; she turned and accepted with a nod.

"Sure Amaterasu_sama, I believe the wait will be long..." she smiled at the lady.

The other woman was insisting with her gibberish talks, forgetting that people were not idiots as she wished them to be and everyone there knew well her past and nature.
She looked at her in disbelief:

"Shiono you have no shame, I see.
We have committed NO CRIME, we actually have WORKED in your Kuni, helping at the port and mines; yet you go around saying we are criminals.
What part of "you are breaching Miyoshi Law" you don't understand?
And what part of "you are a bunch of liars and thugs" you don't get?
You are NOT good people.

So keep quiet, it's in your best interest as no one here believe your lies.
We won't dignify you of our respect, being we only respect honest people.
Move on woman, go hide your shame."

Which part of Miyoshi will not be bullied by the likes of you did you not understand?

You can say we have no proof to your threats all you want but both you and I, and the citizens and councillors you wrote to, know that to be a lie.

Please spare us your constant whining. It really is getting annoying.

If anyone would like to see our proof, please do feel free to ask me in private. I have no issues in sharing it.

Aimijun

"You are ridiculous, but the more you talk the more people see the lies you are putting around.
Your claims are untrue, we are NO CRIMINALS and we can prove it: we have worked and nothing else in Miyoshi.
Which part of "no crime, no trial" you don't understand?

Keep quiet then, a Daimyo that behaves like you do should be ashamed of himself.
I will happily show to everyone - privately - proof of the threats I have received by some members of Miyoshi Council,
threats to which I have responded as deserved."
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Kakata

Intelligence by homing pigeon:

Citation:

.... at reset Hatakeyma rebels overtook the Capital of Gobo and threw the council of Hatakeyama out. The General of the army in Gobo ... overthrow the government.

Francesca.
Amatseru. (?)
...

are running fast back to Oda kuni.
Hatakeyma suspects with money stolen from the Treasury...

Fragmentary but meaningful, was not very clean...

Have a good time in Oda you all.
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Amaterasu.

Amaterasu laughs and drinks her sake...
Hum Kakata, i don't know you but i see that you like to propage the lyes rumors...

Only one think in the paper is nearly real :

Citation:

The General of the army in Gobo ... overthrow the government.

Not yet, the emporor are to decide when...
But i'm not blind that's the reason why
1 I leave Hakateyama, but for where ?????

2 I don't steal anythink just put money and items in security.

How ?

I bought nearly 300 bags of wheat and create animals

150 pigs and 50 chickens, that's a good idear isn't it ?
Like this i using 3000 k in the treasury.

I bought nearly 60 udons, 100 fishes, 400 rices, 50 pieces of meat, flax and for the other think i don't remember...

This is for the emperor banquet and for help Hakateyama people.

I increase all the mines to 17 k and let only necessary money for Sunday miners wages.

Nearly 2000 k are in shingu's port.
Some other items are in grant for sells in another kuni.

For my other actions i let the futur council to discover it, it's a surprise...

What can you say about this ?

I hope rebels can manage with this ....

One other interesting think for Hakateyama.
The council from Miyoshi decide to pay 50 k Owase people for working in there mine ! Oh that's not a good think this when you know this mine is half pay by Hakateyama ! So for friendly neighboors it's not very clean....
What can you say about this Laylani ?

Do you want a sake ?

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Amaterasu rit et bu son sake.

Humm Kakata, je ne vous connais mais je constate déjà que vous aimez propager les rumeurs mensongères...

Une seule chose est a peu près vrai dans votre papier.

Citation:

Le général de l'armée de Gobo a renversé le pouvoir en place.

Pas encore, l'empereur doit donner son aval...

Mais je ne suis pas aveugle c'est la raison pour laquelle
1 j'ai quitté Hakateyama mais pour où ????
Je n'ai rien volé juste placé les choses en sécurité.

Comment ?

En achetant pas loin de 300 sacs de blé et en créant des animaux.

J'ai créé 50 poulets et 150 cochons, c'est une bonne idée vous ne trouvez pas ?
Ainsi j'ai utilisé l'équivalent de 3000 k dans la trésorerie.

J'ai aussi acheté a peu près 60 udons, 100 poissons, 400 sacs de riz, 50 viandes, du lin et pleins d'autres choses dont je ne me souviens plus.

Celà servira d'une art aux frais de bouche et de toute façon çà aide les habitants d'Hakateyama.

J'ai augmenter le salaire des mines à 17 k et laissé en trésorerie uniquement l'argent nécessaire aux salaires des mineurs de dimanche.

Pas loin de 2000 k sont viré dans le port de Shingu.

D'autres denrées sont en vente par mandat dans d'autres provinces.

Pour mes autres actions je laisse le nouveau conseil les découvrir, c'est une surprise...

Qu'est ce que vous dites de çà ?

J'espère que les rebelles seront se débrouiller avec la situation....

Encore une petite chose d'interessante pour Hakateyama,
Le conseil de Miyoshi à contacter les habitants d'Owase (HAkateyama) et leur a proposé 50 k contre leur travail à la mine d'Or (Miyoshi)
Ce n'est pas une bonne chose, surtout lorsqu'on sait que la moitié des salaires de cette mine est payé par Hakateyama... Pour des voisins alliés, je ne peuse pas que ce soit très honnete comme attitude...

Qu'est ce que vous pouvez dire concernant ce point Laylani ?

Voulez vous un sake ?
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Hojo_no_mariko

Kakata a écrit:

Intelligence by homing pigeon:

Citation:

.... at reset Hatakeyma rebels overtook the Capital of Gobo and threw the council of Hatakeyama out. The General of the army in Gobo ... overthrow the government.

Francesca.
Amatseru. (?)
...

are running fast back to Oda kuni.
Hatakeyma suspects with money stolen from the Treasury...

Fragmentary but meaningful, was not very clean...

Have a good time in Oda you all.

Citation:

Francesca riait.

Intéressant de parler de quelque chose qui ne s'est pas encore produit!

En fait, un "gars" de Yamana parle de quelque chose qui n'est pas encore arrivé, en l'occurence, un coup d'état.

Déduction: le coup d'état est coordonné par la shogun

Raison: Opposition à la shogun sur la question de l'embargo d'Otomo.

Enseignement: les kunis ne peuvent pas conserver leur autonomie et doivent se soumettre à cette catin.

Akihito

Après avoir lu l'annonce qu'Amaterasu avait faites pour notre chère et bien aimée Shogun, Akihito écoutait discrètement la discussion qui se créait. Il n'écoutait pas tout car le dialècte qu'ils aimaient tant parler ne lui convenait pas pour autant mais il fini par intervenir.

Moi ce qui me fait rire se sont ceux qui crient qu'ils désirent la paix mais sont les premiers à prendre les armes. Lorsque je vois qu'Uchi et Yamana tentent de se faire passer pour les sauveurs alors que se sont EUX qui attaquent sans cesse Otomo, soit disant au nom de la paix je trouve cela plutôt... Comment vais-je le dire... pathétique voila !
Vous savez ce qui diffirencie un bon daimyo d'un mauvais durant une guerre ? C'est que le bon c'est quand est-ce qu'il doit admettre honnorablement la défaite tandis que le mauvais se laisse guider par la haine et la soif de vengeance.

Si le kuni d'Uchi avait un grain d'honneur, ils sortiraient de cette guerre comme de vaillant perdant qui ont su quand est-ce qu'ils devaient admettre la défaite au lieu de sombrer dans le déshonneur en devant mendier comme des mendiants au shogun et aux yamana de l'aident. Ils reconnaitraient que plus cette guerre va durer et plus leur kuni ne sera qu'une ruine où la vie deviendra impossible, où dans un futur les gens riront des uchi jin qui ont guidés leur kuni dans sa perte tout simplement pour des envies de vengeances.

Il fit une petite pause avant de reprendre son souffle.

Et notre chère et bien aimée shogun, bizarrement lorsque j'ai su qu'elle était une yamana, je savais tous de suite que ses paroles pour la paix n'étaient qu'un leurre. Je savais qu'elle ne voulait pas la paix mais la guerre car yamana veut la guerre, pourquoi ? Peut-être veulent-ils détruire le seul kuni qui sait leur tenir tête ou bien veulent-ils annexer Otomo ? Aller savoir !
Ne parlons même pas de vos pseudos discussions diplomatiques, tous le monde peut se douter ce que vous réclamez "rendez tous ce que vous avez conquéris" ou bien encore mieux "rendez tous ce que vous avez conquéris et remboursés toutes les dépenses militaires" n'est-ce pas ! Il faut pas participer a ses pseudos discussions pour savoir que vous ne voulez aucun compromis, tous ce que vous voulez c'est exiger qu'Otomo rend tout ce qu'il a conquéris, probablement en le menaçant de le détruire, qui sait.

Désolé de vous décevoir mais personne ne me donne des informations mais au vue de ce qui encourage les pseudos hommes et femmes honnorables à aller ruiner des peuples, donc la soif de vengeance et de conquête ou reconquête. On se doute déjà que les discussions "diplomatiques", fin plutôt les exigeances diplomatiques sont "rendez tous ou on vous casse la figure" ne peut aboutir à du succès.

La shogun devrait peut-être éviter d'être entouré de gens qui sont guidés par la haine et non l'honneur.
La seule chose que je peux dire, c'est si uchi et yamana ont de l'honneur. Si leurs daimyos sont de bons daimyos, ils verront qu'une paix blanche est bien mieux qu'une guerre qui ne les avantageras jamais. La défaite n'est pas un déshonneur lorsqu'on sait l'admettre, lorsqu'on sait admettre que son adverse est meilleur que soit-même.

Maintenant je ne peux qu'encourager la shogun à honnorer ses paroles et de pousser yamana et uchi à signer une paix blanche. Ce que vous semblez devoir apprendre, une paix se signe que lorsque les hostilités sont stoppés sinon vous savez ce qu'il arrivera ? Et bien le camp qui sera en position de force fera toujours de plus grosses exigeances et une paix ne sera jamais signée.
Vous voulez la paix ? Stoppez les hostilités et signée une paix.

Ne venez pas avec vos paroles débiles du genre "Nous sommes en position de force, pourquoi discuter maintenant alors qu'avant on le voulait ?" car cela montrera clairement que la paix, vous vous en moquez mais je suppose que vos coeurs sont déjà tellement corrompu par la haine que votre intelligence en subi les conséquences aussi. Ma fois je vais espérer que se n'est pas encore le cas et que la sagesse existe parmis vos gouvernements pour comprendre qu'une paix blanche est bien plus bénéfique qu'une guerre qui ne fera que vous ruinez encore plus...

Par les kamis, ne venez pas me sortir que je suis un sbire de francesca ou d'amaterasu. Elles savent très bien que je les aiment pas, elles l'ont déjà senties et lorsqu'amaterasu avait son putsh d'égocentrisme démesuré en tentant de tout affranchir. Je me suis opposé à elle et c'est même moi qui ai mit en place la plan pour l'arrêter.
Mais je me doute déjà que vous allez crier "Oh le vilain traitre tout pas beau, il n'est pas avec nous donc il est avec Otomo, bouh ! bouh ! allez tuez le ! " Mais sachez tous de même, avant de m'insulter de traitre ou ennemi. Si je l'étais réellement, je ne serais pas en Oda en trin de me tourner durement les pouces à Gero mais je tenterais bien de soutenir ou du moins de m'attaquer a Yamana ou Uchi d'une façon ou d'une autre. je peux vous assurer que je ne suis pas près à le faire.

Kakata

I've nothing to say.
It's much more interesting to listen to.
Go ahead.
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Manusia

manusia holding on but he come to make a statement.

on behalf of hatakeyama , i would like to declare francesca. and amaterasu. as a fugitive and i hope miyoshi goverment can arrest and capture her to give her punishment.
she might already try running to oda now but feel free to blacklist her and people who travelling with her.

anyone who capture francesca. (note she change her name with "." behind her name) and amaterasu.(note she change her name with "." behind her name) will doing a great deed for hatakeyama and the shogunate and also bring justice.

manusia sighing and realize maybe it's too late but some people already lost and francesca already make people confused but now it's become clear.
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Murakami no Manusia, Jōshu of Kii-jō (紀伊城)

Scyn

approaching the conversation slowly, his ears prick up when a statement is made about 'Hatakeyama'

As you well know Manusia the council is still in power, Francesca. and Amaterasu. are still in their positions and as such you don't have any kind of executive powers to class someone as a fugitive, the representive of the Shogun you might be, but you are appointed to that position by the Shogun, not by the people of Hatakeyama.

As such, you have no approval by the people of Hatakeyama to black list, arrest or detain these people you are trying to encroach upon.

I hope you remember that your position is given to you by the Shogun and not the people of Hatakeyama and as such you are limited to speaking on behalf of the Shogun and not on behalf of the people of Hatakeyama.

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Beloved of The Goddess Sei::Scourge of Nippon::Buke of Unlimited Blades::Unlimited Blade Works Izakaya::Heaven's Feel Izakaya::Nanaya Foundation::NEW Uguu!

Amaterasu.

Amaterasu smiles to Scyn.

Take a place Scyn, you're very welcome here.

She offers him a sake

Manusia have a dream.
Became the next shogun certainly.
I think, he prefer to hear the shogun than the people from Hakateyama. I saw how he makes profit with his rice and the wheat in the market of Gobo ...

She looks black to Manusia

Sorry, i forget to give the names of Hakateyama rebels, who's in Sajanzv army. I think it's important for people to know the names of the traitors

Citation:

Sajanzv
Sukai,
Manusia,
Shingen,
Isamu_shimizu,
Shimizu.hana,
Ouchimasahiro
Meari,
Tomtom,
Drizztlp,
Tenshi_no_ongaku,
Boomshine

I hope Hakateyama people appreciate the solution i found for save the situation and my name too.

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Amaterasu sourit à Scyn

Prenez place Scyn, vous êtes vraiment le bienvenu ici.
Elle lui offrit un sake
Manusia à un rêve, il veut devenir le futur Shogun, très certainement.
Je pense qu'il préfère écouter le Shogun plutôt que le peuple d'Hakateyama.
J'ai vu comment il faisait du profit sur le marché de Gobo avec son riz et le blé....

Elle jetta un regard noir à Manusia.

Oh pardon j'ai oublié de vous donner les noms des rebelles d'Hakateyama qui ont intégrés l'armée de Sajanzv.
Je pense que c'est important que le peuple d'HAkateyama connaissent leur nom.

Citation:

Sajanzv
Sukai,
Manusia,
Shingen,
Isamu_shimizu,
Shimizu.hana,
Ouchimasahiro
Meari,
Tomtom,
Drizztlp,
Tenshi_no_ongaku,
Boomshine

J'espère que le peuple d'HAkateyama appréciera la solution que j'ai trouvé pour sauver les richesses du Kuni ainsi que mon nom.
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Scyn

His ears hear yet another voice this one seems to be on edge as was the last one was

Even if Manusia was to become the next shogun I don't see how his powers would be in likeness to this current one.

Sajanzv's army is holding Gobo for security, those who might be within it can't be called traitors until they have done something to damage the democracy which Hatakeyama still has.

Once they have done something as being ordered by outside or inside influences, then they can and will be branded as traitors to a cause other than Hatakeyama's security and stability, but until then, I'd ask that even Hatakeyama Council Members hold their tongues and continue working in their office positions and Council Chambers.

PLUS: I'd be more than happy to bring this Shogun and it's representives to their knees in a future Council Election held within Hatakeyama, but I'll use the caution approach for the moment since this Shogun doesn't seem to have any kind of depth and is already on a rocky road while trying to justify itself in any kind of public way.

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Hojo_no_mariko

Scyn a écrit:

His ears hear yet another voice this one seems to be on edge as was the last one was

Even if Manusia was to become the next shogun I don't see how his powers would be in likeness to this current one.

Sajanzv's army is holding Gobo for security, those who might be within it can't be called traitors until they have done something to damage the democracy which Hatakeyama still has.

Once they have done something as being ordered by outside or inside influences, then they can and will be branded as traitors to a cause other than Hatakeyama's security and stability, but until then, I'd ask that even Hatakeyama Council Members hold their tongues and continue working in their office positions and Council Chambers.

PLUS: I'd be more than happy to bring this Shogun and it's representives to their knees in a future Council Election held within Hatakeyama, but I'll use the caution approach for the moment since this Shogun doesn't seem to have any kind of depth and is already on a rocky road while trying to justify itself in any kind of public way.

Actually, we were informed that isamu and manusia and their bands were merging in Gobo. Completely crazy and interesting thing for people who know them a little bit:D

We don't like to get ripped off, and certainly not keen at waiting those people to overthrow the council without doing anything.

Some people think they are so bright that we might haven't seen the plot...silly, isn't it?

Manusia

hey scyn, are you mad? or just plain stupid?

do you know that your "daimyo" is already in ODA soil today? so much for your "elected" council. you are to blind too see? they both already running to oda since 4 days ago!

now for francesca. and amaterasu. tell all people here WHY you guys running to oda?

as i state before francesca. and amaterasu. is declared fugitive and all army will black list them.
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Murakami no Manusia, Jōshu of Kii-jō (紀伊城)

Hojo_no_mariko

Manusia a écrit:

hey scyn, are you mad? or just plain stupid?

do you know that your "daimyo" is already in ODA soil today? so much for your "elected" council. you are to blind too see? they both already running to oda since 4 days ago!

now for francesca. and amaterasu. tell all people here WHY you guys running to oda?

as i state before francesca. and amaterasu. is declared fugitive and all army will black list them.

You, your friends and the "red dragon" clan are doing a "coup" currently in Gobo, Hatakeyama capital.

I wanna say: serves you well

Haya_ongaku

Scyn-sama,

I have long been of the opinion that Hatakeyama is a union of a number of... factions. I would suggest that since the beginning of our kuni, these have been the Red Dragon Clan, in the East, and that led by Sajanzv-san, in the West - arguably, the latter has been supplanted by one led by Manusia-san. Although this is a rather controversial simplification, I guess, I don't think I've ever seen all three agree entirely - until now.

I agree with you, the Shogunate should not intervene in the affairs of the kuni. But as one of those who helped co-ordinate this and represented the Shogunate, I would say that this revolution does have legitimacy, not because the Shogunate says so, but instead because it is clear the people of Hatakeyama were not satisfied by its leadership. Our decree permitting this was just a formality. The daimyo, who was not even truly a person of Hatakeyama, had not only consistently acted in a fashion which was not in the best interests of our people, but had also made moves to violate our treaty obligations to other kuni.

I regret that this had to be done in this way, I honestly do. If we could democratically remove the leadership, then that would have been the way forward. We cannot do that here, however, without waiting nearly a month - a month in which unrepairable damage could have been done to our kuni. I have been here a very long time, and whilst I have taken a step back from politics I feel that that cannot happen.

Given that we have reason to believe Francesca. and Amaterasu. have looted the kuni of Hatakeyama, illegal under Hatakeyama Legal Corpus clause II-3, I urge kuni friendly to Hatakeyama to seize them for return to this kuni for a fair and peaceful trial, or if required to kill them as they have chosen to flee from justice and thus relinquish their rights.

[OOC: just to say... the council is not actually still in charge except IG. The way things work is that a revolt replaces the council, but the admins need to update this IG. The revolt was I believe successful, so the former council has been ousted, but because the admins are away the IG council has not actually been replaced.]
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RYOSHU - RETIRED SOSAI OF JINGU (CHIEF PRIEST) - RETIRED HEAD GAHAKU - HATAKEYAMA COUNCIL II, III, IV, VI, VII & VIII

Scyn

Haya_ongaku a écrit:

Scyn-sama,

I have long been of the opinion that Hatakeyama is a union of a number of... factions. I would suggest that since the beginning of our kuni, these have been the Red Dragon Clan, in the East, and that led by Sajanzv-san, in the West - arguably, the latter has been supplanted by one led by Manusia-san. Although this is a rather controversial simplification, I guess, I don't think I've ever seen all three agree entirely - until now.

I agree with you, the Shogunate should not intervene in the affairs of the kuni. But as one of those who helped co-ordinate this and represented the Shogunate, I would say that this revolution does have legitimacy, not because the Shogunate says so, but instead because it is clear the people of Hatakeyama were not satisfied by its leadership. Our decree permitting this was just a formality. The daimyo, who was not even truly a person of Hatakeyama, had not only consistently acted in a fashion which was not in the best interests of our people, but had also made moves to violate our treaty obligations to other kuni.

I regret that this had to be done in this way, I honestly do. If we could democratically remove the leadership, then that would have been the way forward. We cannot do that here, however, without waiting nearly a month - a month in which unrepairable damage could have been done to our kuni. I have been here a very long time, and whilst I have taken a step back from politics I feel that that cannot happen.

Given that we have reason to believe Francesca. and Amaterasu. have looted the kuni of Hatakeyama, illegal under Hatakeyama Legal Corpus clause II-3, I urge kuni friendly to Hatakeyama to seize them for return to this kuni for a fair and peaceful trial, or if required to kill them as they have chosen to flee from justice and thus relinquish their rights.

[OOC: just to say... the council is not actually still in charge except IG. The way things work is that a revolt replaces the council, but the admins need to update this IG. The revolt was I believe successful, so the former council has been ousted, but because the admins are away the IG council has not actually been replaced.]

Legitimacy here to my understanding would require that Manusia, Sajanzv, etc provide more than just idle talking, it would require overwelming proof on their part.

If the Shogunate orders do no come into play why has Manusia posted here instead of going to the people of Hatakeyama ? This kind of discussion seems counterproductive to his and their causes.

If what is done is done and it has happened already in this way in my mind this seems like the largest insult to the people of Hatakeyama for a very long time and no doubt this will be the largest mark on the people of the Kuni, than the Kuni itself for the forseeable future.

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Beloved of The Goddess Sei::Scourge of Nippon::Buke of Unlimited Blades::Unlimited Blade Works Izakaya::Heaven's Feel Izakaya::Nanaya Foundation::NEW Uguu!

Amaterasu.

Amaterasu takes an ear to the other people .

It's too much for me.

I prefer to resign. You accuse me just because of rumors. You want to kill me and after you asked why i left Hakateyama.
I left Hakateyama just because i can't work like this, and if the emperor make time to give you the council it's may be because he doesn't like the traitors like you !

I worked very well, Hakateyama made each day profits all the mines openned and no kori miss anythink in the market.
But just because this crazy Shogun said i'm a bad woman (another rumors) you decide to full other the elected council !

You are crazy Manusia and your group of stupid dragons and now you are in a wonderfull mess...

It's not already my problem.

You fell very clever don't you ? So for sure you can manage with this new situation.

You had many difficulty when you became rector only for one week so for sure you can manage with the Kuni economy....

I hope the kami will help you in your way...

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Amaterasu tendit une oreille à la discussion nouvelle.

C'est trop pour moi.
Je prefère démissionner . Vous m'accusez sur la base de rumeurs. Vous voulez me tuer et après vous vous demandez pourquoi je quitte Hakateyama ?
Je quitte juste parce que je ne peux pas travailler comme çà et si l'empereur ne vous a pas encore donner le pouvoir c'est peut être parce qu'il n'aime pas les traitres comme vous !

J'ai fort bien travailler, Hakateyama a fait du profit chaque jour, les mines étaient ouvertes chaque jour et aucune ville ne manquait de quoi que ce soit sur le marché.

Mais juste parce que cette folle de Shogun a dit que j'étais quelqu'un de mauvais (encore des rumeurs ), vous décider de renverser le conseil.

Vous être un idiot Manusia et votre groupe de Stupides dragons également et maintenant vous êtes clairement dans un bordel monstreux...

Ce n'est plus mon problème .

Vous vous croyez très intelligent n'est ce pas ? Donc forcement vous allez pouvoir vous en sortir avec la nouvelle situation...

Vous avez déjà eu du mal a tenir une semaine comme recteur de l'université alors évidement vous allez très bien vous débrouiller avec l'économie d'un Kuni .

J'espère que les Kami vous guideront sur votre route...
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Manusia

scyn you should read hatakeyama forum the shogun already state that francesca and amaterasu is dangerous and why you can't see that i am very curious.
they already in ODA soil. do you think someone not guilty will run?

and yes after the new goverment set up the new council will explain everything. i am sure you can think why we don't post " hey we will take over the council this day" in hatakeyama forum.
(OOC: the real problem is we already take over the goverment 3 days ago but the admin haven't set up the new goverment for us.)

amaterasu. the problem is you just got here a few months and thinking you with francesca is the owner of hatakeyama. we can't be brainwashed easily and as i say that people of hatakeyama is not blind and deaf. if you think you are not guilty PLEASE come back here in hatakeyama and lets' talk about it in iza. i remember you talking in iza that FRANCESCA Is the bad one and you are being used. but now the evidence say that YOU ARE RUNNING AWAY WITH HER.

the new council consist not only me but people selected because of their loyality to hatakeyama and capability to govern hatakeyama. no need to worry because we will clean up the mess you and francessca made.
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Murakami no Manusia, Jōshu of Kii-jō (紀伊城)

Scyn

Manusia a écrit:

scyn you should read hatakeyama forum the shogun already state that francesca and amaterasu is dangerous and why you can't see that i am very curious.
they already in ODA soil. do you think someone not guilty will run?

and yes after the new goverment set up the new council will explain everything. i am sure you can think why we don't post " hey we will take over the council this day" in hatakeyama forum.
(OOC: the real problem is we already take over the goverment 3 days ago but the admin haven't set up the new goverment for us.)

amaterasu. the problem is you just got here a few months and thinking you with francesca is the owner of hatakeyama. we can't be brainwashed easily and as i say that people of hatakeyama is not blind and deaf. if you think you are not guilty PLEASE come back here in hatakeyama and lets' talk about it in iza. i remember you talking in iza that FRANCESCA Is the bad one and you are being used. but now the evidence say that YOU ARE RUNNING AWAY WITH HER.

the new council consist not only me but people selected because of their loyality to hatakeyama and capability to govern hatakeyama. no need to worry because we will clean up the mess you and francessca made.

You continue to post here instead of Hatakeyama's Kuni Forum about this matter, so in other words you would prefer to say nothing until everyone in the group is able to come to terms with what you have done -in secret- probably against the wishes of the people of Hatakeyama.

It's not the fact of posting " hey we will take over the council this day" it's the fact you nor anyone else in this little band haven't posted ANYTHING in that forum to explain ANYTHING on this matter, which is the thing which most disgusts me.

You continue to degrade yourself manusia as you try to prove that what you are doing is right with words and not real proof and now I have no faith in you or any of the causes you claim to be your own.

Better yet, what will be the fall out if this coup, in the future is judged illegal ? Of course, I'm assuming anyone cares about a democracy anymore

other than me.

You have the right to be curious, but I'm even more sure in my thinking that when everything is said and done, I doubt very much that each person which played a part in this coup (even a small part) will come forward and explain themselves to the people of Hatakeyama in your 'explanation of everything'.

To be concluded I guess ?

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Hojo_no_mariko

Haya_ongaku a écrit:

Scyn-sama,

I have long been of the opinion that Hatakeyama is a union of a number of... factions. I would suggest that since the beginning of our kuni, these have been the Red Dragon Clan, in the East, and that led by Sajanzv-san, in the West - arguably, the latter has been supplanted by one led by Manusia-san. Although this is a rather controversial simplification, I guess, I don't think I've ever seen all three agree entirely - until now.

I agree with you, the Shogunate should not intervene in the affairs of the kuni. But as one of those who helped co-ordinate this and represented the Shogunate, I would say that this revolution does have legitimacy, not because the Shogunate says so, but instead because it is clear the people of Hatakeyama were not satisfied by its leadership. Our decree permitting this was just a formality. The daimyo, who was not even truly a person of Hatakeyama, had not only consistently acted in a fashion which was not in the best interests of our people, but had also made moves to violate our treaty obligations to other kuni.

I regret that this had to be done in this way, I honestly do. If we could democratically remove the leadership, then that would have been the way forward. We cannot do that here, however, without waiting nearly a month - a month in which unrepairable damage could have been done to our kuni. I have been here a very long time, and whilst I have taken a step back from politics I feel that that cannot happen.

Given that we have reason to believe Francesca. and Amaterasu. have looted the kuni of Hatakeyama, illegal under Hatakeyama Legal Corpus clause II-3, I urge kuni friendly to Hatakeyama to seize them for return to this kuni for a fair and peaceful trial, or if required to kill them as they have chosen to flee from justice and thus relinquish their rights.

[OOC: just to say... the council is not actually still in charge except IG. The way things work is that a revolt replaces the council, but the admins need to update this IG. The revolt was I believe successful, so the former council has been ousted, but because the admins are away the IG council has not actually been replaced.]

What you say is very interesting.

There is no democracy in Hatakeyama, but two clans, and if they were to lose control over the kuni, be sure they will use weapons to regain their power.

To whom it may concern, my list "WAKE up" has been elected with 100% poll.

Good luck to explain people your betrayal.

You may think you are bright, legitimate and the "good guy".

I am polite, worker and faithful above all. But if I am betrayed, I say betrayed by people I trusted, be sure I can be the filthiest whore ever.

She looked at him and crossed her arms. Mariko never got ripped off.

Manusia

dear francessca, if you really want democracy that much why you don't come here sitting in izakaya with me in gobo. i have better solution why don't you RUNNING the list once again but this time there will be another opposing party and we will see how much "People" want to choose you.
you get 100% because your party is the only one running and you got fool some people.

come here francesca i dare you

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Murakami no Manusia, Jōshu of Kii-jō (紀伊城)

Isamu_shimizu

All the talk of democracy, rule by the people burns Isa's ears, he curses the imported ways that have now become so common place. Still, remains as calm as ever, and all he says is this. I had hoped that the reports I received about Francesca were wrong. Yet it is by her own actions themselves, and not anything else that show the reports received were right. I am also sure once a new council is operational they will beyond every doubt show what I am very sure was now being planned behind the scenes. Isa has but one regret, and he'll never make that mistake again.
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Former Diamyo of Hatakeyama, Isamu_shimizu, Minabe no Ryoshu, Inami no Jito

Laylani

Aimijun a écrit:

"You are ridiculous, but the more you talk the more people see the lies you are putting around.
Your claims are untrue, we are NO CRIMINALS and we can prove it: we have worked and nothing else in Miyoshi.
Which part of "no crime, no trial" you don't understand?

Keep quiet then, a Daimyo that behaves like you do should be ashamed of himself.
I will happily show to everyone - privately - proof of the threats I have received by some members of Miyoshi Council,
threats to which I have responded as deserved."

Feel free to send them my way Aimijun other than you prooving it I dont care what you have to say.

Good luck in Oda

Aimijun

She disregarded completely the words of the incapable arrogant woman whom didn't even know her own Kuni laws and went on drinking sake with Amaterasu and the others with them.

"Some people have no shame really, on top of having no abilities apart from moving the mouth uncontrollably.... " she said to them.

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Amaterasu.

Oh Laylani you are here and i'm still waiting for an answer.

Can you tell to your friend from Hakateyama that you had propose Owase people 50 k for the better miner in Miyoshi Gold mine !

Manusia and Isa do you realize that you had the intention to overthrow the government just because of false rumors?
You are exclusively responsible for our departure, and now the emperor still do not give you anything ... No power and corruption that climbs climbs ...
The shiro banquet that I have provided before leaving is not scheduled for one month either ...

You say you're not blind then told me what you saw Manusia ?
You saw mines properly maintained and opened, markets supplied, animals available. Wheat and rice purchased regularly to all koris and he never failed to government or finance points except the day YOU changed her mind at the last minute by not providing it!
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Oh laylani vous êtes ici et j'attends toujours une réponse de votre part.

Pouvez vous dire clairement à vos "amis" d'Hakateyama que vous avez proposé 50 k aux meilleurs mineurs d'Owase pour qu'ils travaillent dans la mine d'Or de Miyoshi !
Manusia et Isa vous vous rendez compte que vous avez eu l'intention de renverser le pouvoir en place juste sur la base de rumeurs mensongères.

Vous êtes les seuls responsables de notre départ et maintenant l'empereur ne vous a toujours pas rien donné. Toujours pas de pouvoir et la corruption qui grimpe, grimpe....

Les frais de bouche que j'ai prévu ne sont pas prévu pour 1 mois non plus.

Vous dites que vous n'êtes pas aveugle alors qu'avez vous vu ?

Vous avez vu des mines parfaitement entretenues et ouvertes, des marchés fournis, des animaux toujours disponibles. Du riz et du blé acheté régulièrement sur l'ensemble des marchés et il n'a jamais manqué de points d'état ou de finances sauf le jour où VOUS Manusia avez changé d'avis sans préavis en ne répondant pas à l'embauche pour laquelle vous vous étiez proposé.

Amaterasu prit une gorgée de Saké.

Haya_ongaku

Just in terms of the legality of the revolt...

Isamu Shimizu was today elected as daimyo by the last elected council. The revolting council has not been implemented yet. Isamu Shimizu is thus a fully lawful daimyo, and may legally authorise the transition to the revolted council.

Problem solved

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RYOSHU - RETIRED SOSAI OF JINGU (CHIEF PRIEST) - RETIRED HEAD GAHAKU - HATAKEYAMA COUNCIL II, III, IV, VI, VII & VIII

Hojo_no_mariko

Haya_ongaku a écrit:

Just in terms of the legality of the revolt...

Isamu Shimizu was today elected as daimyo by the last elected council. The revolting council has not been implemented yet. Isamu Shimizu is thus a fully lawful daimyo, and may legally authorise the transition to the revolted council.

Problem solved

Hatakeyama retournera à son état initial de "no man's land" inefficace, potentat vassal de Miyoshi et de la Shogun, emplit d'une multitude de légistes mous du pantalon et de chieurs qui, en dehors d'hurler quotidiennement, ne comprennent strictement rien à la politique et à la gestion d'un Kuni.

Bref, bonne chance! Va vous en falloir

Ouchimasahiro

Francesca. a écrit:

Haya_ongaku a écrit:

Just in terms of the legality of the revolt...

Isamu Shimizu was today elected as daimyo by the last elected council. The revolting council has not been implemented yet. Isamu Shimizu is thus a fully lawful daimyo, and may legally authorise the transition to the revolted council.

Problem solved

Hatakeyama retournera à son état initial de "no man's land" inefficace, potentat vassal de Miyoshi et de la Shogun, emplit d'une multitude de légistes mous du pantalon et de chieurs qui, en dehors d'hurler quotidiennement, ne comprennent strictement rien à la politique et à la gestion d'un Kuni.

Bref, bonne chance! Va vous en falloir

Haya_ongaku a écrit:

Ouchi Masahiro doesn't know if he's supposed to have the right to speak in this Embassy but has been listening to the discussion avidly. So, he sits silently, thinking. The last speaker, the former Daimyo of Hatakayama, spoke in a manner he didn't understand. Ouchi's best attempt to understand the dialect the ex-Daimyo spoke was this:

Hatakeyama return to its initial state of "no man's land" ineffective potentate vassal of the Shogun and Miyoshi, filled with a multitude of forensic soft trousers and chieurs who, outside of screaming daily, does nothing to include policy and management of a Kuni.

In short, good luck! Will you have to

Not only were there words he didn't understand (like forensic soft trousers and chieurs) but, having lived in both Miyoshi and Hatakayama, he was totally aware of the severe and ongoing bad blood between the two kunis, which had on one occasion led to a protracted and harmful war. So the general thrust of the comment appeared to make no sense either. Perhaps he has misunderstood? Perhaps someone else could translate better. Perhaps it didn't matter? The speaker was after all, involved with a criminal organisation, had fled from her responsibilities, no doubt because all along the best interests of the people of Hatakayama had been far from her mind, and was using the debate chambers to speak about a matter that seemed unrelated in any case to the topic of the debate: Réponse de Tenno no Amaterasu au Shogun. Hmmmm

Aimijun

She looked at the new arrived wondering why he was there, since he didn't speak nor seemed to have other interest than look around in silence.
Too many there had made accusations far beyond the acceptable, being they had no support whatsoever in the facts so to sustain them.
It seemed that the only interest of some people was to slander others to their advantage and that was the reason for which they were there, the core of the debate: to stop such disgusting, dishonest and shallow practise.

Maybe the guy didn't understand a thing of what had been said and that was the reason for his silence - she thought whilst sipping her sake.
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